lolome wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:47 pmDealing with rejection is a must. It is most likely that in our careers we have had, have or will have (if still there..) more grants rejected than awarded. I know it is a pain in the neck and it hurts every time, but there is no alternative!
Anyway, and regarding also megasphaera comment: there is life outside academia, and I do not think it would be extremely boring. I am also passionate about science and have shaped my life around it during more than 10 years. And? the fact that you like science or academia does not mean that the whole career is worth it, or that having a poor work-life balance during the best stages of your adulthood is not going to affect you personally, mentally or physically in the long-term. Just saying... it is not a failure not to work in academia after years of dedication. What has been done, has been enjoyed and it has not been a waste of time.
Bren wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:21 pmI remember a few years ago I applied for a Guggenhiem grant, I didn't get it, I assumed I wouldn't get it as I was outside of the USA, I wasn't even sure if I was going to finish the PhD at the time so was unsure if I would even accept the grant if chosen, but, still, man that rejection hurt bad.
Goddamn why do we do this to ourselves?
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I know there is life, i just said that it is not for me, and that i would find it boring. Maybe in the future i will change my mind, at the moment I am committed to do science in academia, that's it!
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Interesting discussion.
I worked outside of academia for 12 years before taking a postdoc position 4 years ago (I also do a crazy amount of part time teaching here and there to make more dough). Academia is something I wanted to try, and while there are parts I enjoy, there is much that is boring, petty, and insubstantial. I've worked on two major EU research projects and man those awful long consortium meetings, Christ on a bike. In my previous job I was manager of a community based project for young offenders and drug users here in Dublin: now that was an eventful position. I wont bore you with the details but there was much that was exciting and fulfilling. I was paid a higher salary in that position than I will be paid if I get the Marie Curie Fellowship. Also, and I dont mean to be aggravating here, theres probably only a 50/50 chance that I will accept this grant if I get it (hmm is that really true? Maybe a 75% chance that I will take it). I have pretty much decided to get out of academia, my second book is about to be published and I kinda feel that I have done what I wanted to do. The MCSA grant is attractive though as I see it as basically being my own boss, designing and conducting my own research without having to answer to anyone really (except a project officer of course). So if I get the grant I may take it, or I may head back to the community sector. If I do take the grant, I'm very sure that it will be my last stint in academia as I think I'm destined to go back into community education management - Christ knows the money is way better.
I worked outside of academia for 12 years before taking a postdoc position 4 years ago (I also do a crazy amount of part time teaching here and there to make more dough). Academia is something I wanted to try, and while there are parts I enjoy, there is much that is boring, petty, and insubstantial. I've worked on two major EU research projects and man those awful long consortium meetings, Christ on a bike. In my previous job I was manager of a community based project for young offenders and drug users here in Dublin: now that was an eventful position. I wont bore you with the details but there was much that was exciting and fulfilling. I was paid a higher salary in that position than I will be paid if I get the Marie Curie Fellowship. Also, and I dont mean to be aggravating here, theres probably only a 50/50 chance that I will accept this grant if I get it (hmm is that really true? Maybe a 75% chance that I will take it). I have pretty much decided to get out of academia, my second book is about to be published and I kinda feel that I have done what I wanted to do. The MCSA grant is attractive though as I see it as basically being my own boss, designing and conducting my own research without having to answer to anyone really (except a project officer of course). So if I get the grant I may take it, or I may head back to the community sector. If I do take the grant, I'm very sure that it will be my last stint in academia as I think I'm destined to go back into community education management - Christ knows the money is way better.
megasphaera@yahoo.it wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:40 pmI know there is life, i just said that it is not for me, and that i would find it boring. Maybe in the future i will change my mind, at the moment I am committed to do science in academia, that's it!
lolome wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:47 pmDealing with rejection is a must. It is most likely that in our careers we have had, have or will have (if still there..) more grants rejected than awarded. I know it is a pain in the neck and it hurts every time, but there is no alternative!
Anyway, and regarding also megasphaera comment: there is life outside academia, and I do not think it would be extremely boring. I am also passionate about science and have shaped my life around it during more than 10 years. And? the fact that you like science or academia does not mean that the whole career is worth it, or that having a poor work-life balance during the best stages of your adulthood is not going to affect you personally, mentally or physically in the long-term. Just saying... it is not a failure not to work in academia after years of dedication. What has been done, has been enjoyed and it has not been a waste of time.
Bren wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:21 pmI remember a few years ago I applied for a Guggenhiem grant, I didn't get it, I assumed I wouldn't get it as I was outside of the USA, I wasn't even sure if I was going to finish the PhD at the time so was unsure if I would even accept the grant if chosen, but, still, man that rejection hurt bad.
Goddamn why do we do this to ourselves?
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What should this link show? it says type " audit". I cant remember it was the same when I checked last time or it has changed.?SOC-2018 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:43 pmMaybe you are right! But it is also possible that they have not yet uploaded the evaluation data on the participant portal! Anyway, I hope the results will be announced by this weekend because it is getting really frustrating!ATBGF2017 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:40 pmI think it is healthier this way. Last year we speculated a lot based on the "phase" which had no meaningful implication. I killed a lot of time on this forum and became super un-productive for 2-3 weeks. This year there is not much to speculate and I did not isolate myself from the real world. I hope we get the results soon and everyone ends up with a big smile on their face
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Yikes my birthday tomorrow - could make or break it if we hear
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Had a bottle of good champagne waiting for 3 years now - this is my third attempt - 92% and 88% - so will be drinking it regardless of outcome. Enough is enough!!! Some good news - have been shortlisted for a Leverhulme this week
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Nicely done on the leverhulme.
Well this is 2 times in a row for me and 3rd time if i count the MC application i did in 2012. I did not notice a blank page during the PDF conversion and overshot the page limit.That affected my scores. Lets see what happens this year around.
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Allow me to ask, why bother applying 3 years in a row? Is the academic job market really that bad or is this a project that you just really want to pursue?
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Quite a few of us here are applying for the third year. Including me! Some people here I know have applied for four years... Each situation is different, for some people it frees you from your current institution that you may not like, or allows you to travel somewhere you want to be (or maybe even need to be for other reasons), to have some more years as a postdoc before taking on the admin load of a tenure track, to improve your cv because you don’t think it’s good enough for an academic job (maybe you just didn’t publish, or chose to save all your ideas for a book that never came out), or as you say because it’s harder and harder to get a tenure track job in academia.
Kitten, my birthday is the day after yours - on Thursday - so I’m in the same situation. Let’s just enjoy our cakes whatever’s the result or lack of result
Kitten, my birthday is the day after yours - on Thursday - so I’m in the same situation. Let’s just enjoy our cakes whatever’s the result or lack of result
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Well, permanent positions in academia are not easy to get these days and a fellowship can give an edge in the race for a permanent position as this is an independent funding. If you see posts in this forum many apply three times or sometimes even more than three times. Given how competitive these applications are i think getting it the first time around is not all that common.