2018 Marie Curie Individual Fellowship (H2020-MSCA-IF-2018)

[ATBGF2017]

No, the status changes to ranking way before the email.

As I understand, when our proposal submission is complete, the phase becomes 'submission'. Likewise, when evaluation is complete (i. e., ESR is uploaded in our account), the phase will change to 'evaluation'. So, only when we get our final ranking by email, the phase will change to ranking. Till then, fingers crossed.

[kassiek]

No, the status changes to ranking way before the email.

As I understand, when our proposal submission is complete, the phase becomes 'submission'. Likewise, when evaluation is complete (i. e., ESR is uploaded in our account), the phase will change to 'evaluation'. So, only when we get our final ranking by email, the phase will change to ranking. Till then, fingers crossed.

It may have in the past, but I'm also in the camp that it may be different this time around. They did change the portal so changing the uploading/ranking process would make sense. It is quite possible that all the scores are in and they just wait until the end to press a button which ranks us all and sends out an automated email.

[cukovic]

What about ethical issues (for applicants who did self assessment)? Anyone contacted by the ethics experts for additional documents?

[academic_guru]

No, the status changes to ranking way before the email.

As I understand, when our proposal submission is complete, the phase becomes 'submission'. Likewise, when evaluation is complete (i. e., ESR is uploaded in our account), the phase will change to 'evaluation'. So, only when we get our final ranking by email, the phase will change to ranking. Till then, fingers crossed.

It may have in the past, but I'm also in the camp that it may be different this time around. They did change the portal so changing the uploading/ranking process would make sense. It is quite possible that all the scores are in and they just wait until the end to press a button which ranks us all and sends out an automated email.

Definitely this a possibility.

[Bren]

My understanding is that most of the final leg of the funding allocation process goes quick as top ranked proposals are set against funding availability. However, then it gets more complex because they may have a some proposals that have equal scores but not enough money left to fund them all. They then have to sit down and discuss the proposals, look over experts comments, and generally flesh it out amongst themselves until they can agree who gets funded and who doesn't. To make myself clearer, if they have allocated 95% of funds to proposals above, say, 93%, and they then have 10 proposals that all scored 93 but only enough money to fund 5 of them, the process of deciding which 5 gets funded and which 5 doesn't, takes quite a bit of time. The 5 proposals that get the funding stay at 93, and the other 5 are demoted to 92.9, therefore they can present a nice clean cut off of 93.



I'm sure folks will be displeased when they consider that this is how things are done but they have to decide somehow.

No, the status changes to ranking way before the email.

As I understand, when our proposal submission is complete, the phase becomes 'submission'. Likewise, when evaluation is complete (i. e., ESR is uploaded in our account), the phase will change to 'evaluation'. So, only when we get our final ranking by email, the phase will change to ranking. Till then, fingers crossed.

It may have in the past, but I'm also in the camp that it may be different this time around. They did change the portal so changing the uploading/ranking process would make sense. It is quite possible that all the scores are in and they just wait until the end to press a button which ranks us all and sends out an automated email.

[kassiek]

I'm not sure how they are doing it this year...there are so many questions. They may have a backup where it's auto sorted and allocated and then the borderline ones are looked at again or there could be a second ranking of some sort. Like weighting for certain aspects like profile of professor (I would hope not but I wouldn't put it past them).

[danGFSOC]

Everything has been already decided. What you are seeing is just a technical phase that they have to do carefully in order to avoid errors in communication: staff (but not evaluators) is just checking, upload and updating. In the second half of December and maybe in January some successful applications passed through the ethical evaluation (i.e. the ethical screening is made in December-January only for those application that scored above the cut-off). But everything was already decided in December (see timeline attached).

[kassiek]

I can't imagine how terrifying it would be to be one of the data entry staff. A simple typo or switching two numbers can change someone's life and who knows if it even gets caught.

[evolved]

I 100% agree with this!

My understanding is that most of the final leg of the funding allocation process goes quick as top ranked proposals are set against funding availability. However, then it gets more complex because they may have a some proposals that have equal scores but not enough money left to fund them all. They then have to sit down and discuss the proposals, look over experts comments, and generally flesh it out amongst themselves until they can agree who gets funded and who doesn't. To make myself clearer, if they have allocated 95% of funds to proposals above, say, 93%, and they then have 10 proposals that all scored 93 but only enough money to fund 5 of them, the process of deciding which 5 gets funded and which 5 doesn't, takes quite a bit of time. The 5 proposals that get the funding stay at 93, and the other 5 are demoted to 92.9, therefore they can present a nice clean cut off of 93.



I'm sure folks will be displeased when they consider that this is how things are done but they have to decide somehow.

No, the status changes to ranking way before the email.

It may have in the past, but I'm also in the camp that it may be different this time around. They did change the portal so changing the uploading/ranking process would make sense. It is quite possible that all the scores are in and they just wait until the end to press a button which ranks us all and sends out an automated email.

[dreamline]

It seems that today is not the 'date'