2020 Marie Curie Individual Fellowship (H2020-MSCA-IF-2020)

[alexaries543]

Wondering if some of you really got the point of what is the fellowship about? MSCF is not only about excellence, it is about impact on the applicants career. What can be the impact for someone who is already assistant professor, or someone who published 32 articles in two years!!? What will be the impact, being able to write 100 in two years and get a new record?

[AndyC]

It must be ENG

MSCA IF EF ST

sorry I meant like LIF, CHE, SOC etc... I want to know how inadequate to feel

Ok, it explains a lot. Publishing in life science i.e. Neurobiology, to have a first author paper (in a good journal) takes at least 2 years of hard work. I know that in engineering it is faster and the impact is calculated differently (do not get me wrong). Good luck!

[AndyC]

Wondering if some of you really got the point of what is the fellowship about? MSCF is not only about excellence, it is about impact on the applicants career. What can be the impact for someone who is already assistant professor, or someone who published 32 articles in two years!!? What will be the impact, being able to write 100 in two years and get a new record?

True story

[Esbesp]

It must be ENG

MSCA IF EF ST

sorry I meant like LIF, CHE, SOC etc... I want to know how inadequate to feel

Impossible. A good researcher in ENG would publish three or four a year, with help. Unless you don't care the ranking and impact factor of the journal of course, he didn't mention the 'Qs'

[trina_80]

Wondering if some of you really got the point of what is the fellowship about? MSCF is not only about excellence, it is about impact on the applicants career. What can be the impact for someone who is already assistant professor, or someone who published 32 articles in two years!!? What will be the impact, being able to write 100 in two years and get a new record?

I don’t think that they missed the point, they know exactly what they’re doing. It just seems to me that SERO’s host simply developed a system of growing successful candidates by integrating them in a group of people that help each other – by publishing together, citing each other etc., which is advantageous both for the host and the candidates. From the standpoint of someone who has done most of his/her research independently and has grown as a researcher “organically” it might seem unfair and… it probably is. Nevertheless, it’s a fairly common practice. We just have to hope that there’s a place for “the others” in there as well.

[Amar]

Wondering if some of you really got the point of what is the fellowship about? MSCF is not only about excellence, it is about impact on the applicants career. What can be the impact for someone who is already assistant professor, or someone who published 32 articles in two years!!? What will be the impact, being able to write 100 in two years and get a new record?

I don’t think that they missed the point, they know exactly what they’re doing. It just seems to me that SERO’s host simply developed a system of growing successful candidates by integrating them in a group of people that help each other – by publishing together, citing each other etc., which is advantageous both for the host and the candidates. From the standpoint of someone who has done most of his/her research independently and has grown as a researcher “organically” it might seem unfair and… it probably is. Nevertheless, it’s a fairly common practice. We just have to hope that there’s a place for “the others” in there as well.

You are so right! It feels like you are telling my story.

[SER0]

Writing papers should not be counted as excellence, because getting funding is more important than anything at the moment. However having good profile is not a good thing sometimes. Last year I applied, the reviewer gave full score to the first part. But reduced the other two parts saying that host doesn't provide anything to career development of the applicant. There is no win win situation. Then the other minor comments on timetable and implementation. Also reviewer mentioned that the applicant should choose a host to get maximum benefits out of the fellowship. I changed the host and topic.

Wondering if some of you really got the point of what is the fellowship about? MSCF is not only about excellence, it is about impact on the applicants career. What can be the impact for someone who is already assistant professor, or someone who published 32 articles in two years!!? What will be the impact, being able to write 100 in two years and get a new record?

[alexaries543]

Those institutions who are able to publish dozens of articles a year and have enough funds to hire reviewers and so on should seriously take a course on ethics in research and start to consider if MSCF is the right funding source. We definitely need more funds for social science and humanity, otherwise the system, as someone said before, wont get to any good direction. Ethics dear engineers, ethics! Your new invention can wait!!!

[SER0]

I think you are in a wrong direction. I became associate editor for three journals in the Last two years. Got into editorial board of two other journals. I don't work with the host and if I get the fellowship I will start working.

Wondering if some of you really got the point of what is the fellowship about? MSCF is not only about excellence, it is about impact on the applicants career. What can be the impact for someone who is already assistant professor, or someone who published 32 articles in two years!!? What will be the impact, being able to write 100 in two years and get a new record?

I don’t think that they missed the point, they know exactly what they’re doing. It just seems to me that SERO’s host simply developed a system of growing successful candidates by integrating them in a group of people that help each other – by publishing together, citing each other etc., which is advantageous both for the host and the candidates. From the standpoint of someone who has done most of his/her research independently and has grown as a researcher “organically” it might seem unfair and… it probably is. Nevertheless, it’s a fairly common practice. We just have to hope that there’s a place for “the others” in there as well.

[Esbesp]

Those institutions who are able to publish dozens of articles a year and have enough funds to hire reviewers and so on should seriously take a course on ethics in research and start to consider if MSCF is the right funding source. We definitely need more funds for social science and humanity, otherwise the system, as someone said before, wont get to any good direction. Ethics dear engineers, ethics! Your new invention can wait!!!

I am an engineer and I can tell you that those systems are not common at all in engineering research groups. I have been in three different teams so far and you are lucky if you can publish three papers a year with a team of 4 to 6 people. At least that's my experience!!