2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

doppiaf
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by doppiaf » Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:11 pm

emmi wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:49 pm
roberto_b wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:12 pm
Here are the numbers of UK proposals on the ML of the various panels:

EF-CHE 40
EF-ECO 1
EF-ENG 47
EF-ENV 31
EF-LIF 53
EF-MAT 6
EF-PHY 23
EF-SOC 36

On average, each funded project (1110 in total as of 13th Feb 2024 in EF) receives about 199 K
so the budget saved from not funding UK projects should be around 47 M.

Assuming that, on average, the country coeff is around 1.0 for all the submitted projects, there should be
around 300 reserve projects funded in total.
Here are my little calculations.

If we deduct the UK-based ML proposals from the list, each panel will have;

_________Proposal___Percentage_______Distribution of 300 projects
EF-CHE____1034 _____15.1% _______________ 45.3
EF-ECO ____120 _____1.7% ________________5.2
EF-ENG ____969_____14.1% ________________42.5
EF-ENV ____729_____10.6% ________________31.9
EF-LIF ____1523_____22.2% ________________66.7
EF-MAT_____144_____2.1% ________________6.3
EF-PHY ____ 785_____11.4% _______________34.4
EF-SOC____1544_____22.5% _______________67.6

Waiting until June will be stressful, but this gives some idea of what we can expect. Of course, those are all approximate calculations according to the numbers we have at the moment.
Wouldn't the distribution also include the Global Fellowships?

glycoglyco
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by glycoglyco » Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:24 pm

doppiaf wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:11 pm
emmi wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:49 pm
roberto_b wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:12 pm
Here are the numbers of UK proposals on the ML of the various panels:

EF-CHE 40
EF-ECO 1
EF-ENG 47
EF-ENV 31
EF-LIF 53
EF-MAT 6
EF-PHY 23
EF-SOC 36

On average, each funded project (1110 in total as of 13th Feb 2024 in EF) receives about 199 K
so the budget saved from not funding UK projects should be around 47 M.

Assuming that, on average, the country coeff is around 1.0 for all the submitted projects, there should be
around 300 reserve projects funded in total.
Here are my little calculations.

If we deduct the UK-based ML proposals from the list, each panel will have;

_________Proposal___Percentage_______Distribution of 300 projects
EF-CHE____1034 _____15.1% _______________ 45.3
EF-ECO ____120 _____1.7% ________________5.2
EF-ENG ____969_____14.1% ________________42.5
EF-ENV ____729_____10.6% ________________31.9
EF-LIF ____1523_____22.2% ________________66.7
EF-MAT_____144_____2.1% ________________6.3
EF-PHY ____ 785_____11.4% _______________34.4
EF-SOC____1544_____22.5% _______________67.6

Waiting until June will be stressful, but this gives some idea of what we can expect. Of course, those are all approximate calculations according to the numbers we have at the moment.
Wouldn't the distribution also include the Global Fellowships?
Yes, all panels will be included. It's basically like starting to distribute money from the beginning, but now instead of 250M€ it will be about 50

afabris
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by afabris » Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:27 pm

A clarification: do you think they will calculate the overall budget and redistribute it between EF and GF and then into the respective panels according to the criteria mentioned, or will the EF and GF budgets remain separate?

watermelon
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by watermelon » Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:54 pm

Hi, all.

Does anyone know whether in any official Horizon Europe/MSCA document it has been mentioned that applicants should explicitly include a statement about data availability from collaborators (if the proposed project involves the use of existing data from different collaborators)? As far as I know, it is not a requirement.

I have also asked this in another group.

RE1355
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by RE1355 » Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:01 pm

It seems that the EU (REA) is going to remove the UK-host proposals from the reserve list (same as 2021 & 2022 practice). we (UK-based proposals on the reserve list) should be in one place and thinking and acting about the problem. Please join and share this group for better communication. https://chat.whatsapp.com/CxVnVYHw3ZIDoSsb9TYJXp

emmi
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by emmi » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:49 pm

glycoglyco wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:03 pm
emmi wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:49 pm
roberto_b wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:12 pm
Here are the numbers of UK proposals on the ML of the various panels:

EF-CHE 40
EF-ECO 1
EF-ENG 47
EF-ENV 31
EF-LIF 53
EF-MAT 6
EF-PHY 23
EF-SOC 36

On average, each funded project (1110 in total as of 13th Feb 2024 in EF) receives about 199 K
so the budget saved from not funding UK projects should be around 47 M.

Assuming that, on average, the country coeff is around 1.0 for all the submitted projects, there should be
around 300 reserve projects funded in total.
Here are my little calculations.

If we deduct the UK-based ML proposals from the list, each panel will have;

_________Proposal___Percentage_______Distribution of 300 projects
EF-CHE____1034 _____15.1% _______________ 45.3
EF-ECO ____120 _____1.7% ________________5.2
EF-ENG ____969_____14.1% ________________42.5
EF-ENV ____729_____10.6% ________________31.9
EF-LIF ____1523_____22.2% ________________66.7
EF-MAT_____144_____2.1% ________________6.3
EF-PHY ____ 785_____11.4% _______________34.4
EF-SOC____1544_____22.5% _______________67.6

Waiting until June will be stressful, but this gives some idea of what we can expect. Of course, those are all approximate calculations according to the numbers we have at the moment.
This is in the right direction, but (1) it's more like 250 UK proposals rather than 300; (2) to calculate the % per panel we need to remove all UK proposals, not only ML, and we don't have the info about all RL (although we can maybe assume that is somehow homogeneous); (3) remember that it's not about distributing number of projects, but funds (depending on country and length of projects in RL, the same amount of money can fund more or less projects)
You are absolutely right. Those calculations are just for a rough approximation. As you mentioned that we do not have exact numbers to make a close prediction.

For your concern about #3, I think UK has one of the highest country coefficient, therefore the UK-based projects budgets will be cover more projects. I agree about the lengths will matter, however, as I have seen the majority of the proposals are close to 24 months.
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emmi
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by emmi » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:57 pm

afabris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:54 am
there is also the budget element: I think that - on average - projects in the hard/experimental sciences ask for much more budget than those in the humanities.
I do not think this would affect the budget because, during the application, the budget did not contain any experimental or hardware requirements of the projects. The budget is all based on living, mobility, family allowance, and host institutional costs.

The main elements are the country coefficient and the length of the projects.

afabris
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by afabris » Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:26 pm

Thank you for the clarification! Will the additional budget be divided equally between global/ european or will each sector have its own? Even doing the calculations proportionally, this seems to me to affect the European projects much more.
emmi wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:57 pm
afabris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:54 am
there is also the budget element: I think that - on average - projects in the hard/experimental sciences ask for much more budget than those in the humanities.
I do not think this would affect the budget because, during the application, the budget did not contain any experimental or hardware requirements of the projects. The budget is all based on living, mobility, family allowance, and host institutional costs.

The main elements are the country coefficient and the length of the projects.

glycoglyco
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by glycoglyco » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:05 pm

afabris wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:26 pm
Thank you for the clarification! Will the additional budget be divided equally between global/ european or will each sector have its own? Even doing the calculations proportionally, this seems to me to affect the European projects much more.
emmi wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:57 pm
afabris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:54 am
there is also the budget element: I think that - on average - projects in the hard/experimental sciences ask for much more budget than those in the humanities.
I do not think this would affect the budget because, during the application, the budget did not contain any experimental or hardware requirements of the projects. The budget is all based on living, mobility, family allowance, and host institutional costs.

The main elements are the country coefficient and the length of the projects.
As I was told by the MSCA Helpdesk, the budget will be distributed proportionally per panel, no matter EF ir GF.

RE1355
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Re: 2023 Reserve list (HE-MSCA-PF-2023)

Post by RE1355 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:43 am

The EU (REA) is going to delete UK-based proposals from the reserve list of MSCA-2023. we (UK-based proposals on the reserve list) should be in one place and thinking and acting about the problem. Please join and share this group for better communication. https://chat.whatsapp.com/CxVnVYHw3ZIDoSsb9TYJXp

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